I'd try the alert on the various <BR><BR>top.location.href<BR>windows.framename.loc ation.href etc just to see if the reference is correct. I'm on my way out soon and will not be beck to this board till next week. Good luck, sorry i can't be of more help. It's gotta be possible though. Oh wait I just thought of something, you can't do it the way we were trying as it's trying to load over the page we are running code from. How about you make your frames page an asp page, pass the location of the frame in as a parameter then just write out the page without frames if there's a value in it.