I have several pages in which i am writing to the db, and at the beginning of the page i have (If Request.Form.Count > 0 Then ... write to db stuff). all the asp for the page is before the body tag, so unless the form is true, it ignores the submit. <BR><BR>the action on the form is <%= Request.ServerVariables("form1") %> ... this reloads the page and sends the form info and the asp code at the top processes it. <BR><BR>now here is my problem. it works perfectly in anything except netscape 4.x. Is there any way to fix this without having to create another page to accept the form info and write to the db? that would mean i would have to create about 20 new pages.