yes I tried - turns out I was making a really lame mistake and fixed the problem. <BR><BR>I was getting a page not found error when I was loading the .asp in the frameset - so I loaded an html just to make sure that I was referencing the page in the frameset correctly - which I was. Turns out - it wasn't the .asp that wasn't found - but an incorrect path in an include statement that was generating the page not found. <BR><BR>stupid. <BR><BR>thanks though man.