*** WAS I RUDE??? ***

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## *** WAS I RUDE??? ***

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## RE: *** WAS I RUDE??? ***

I think that often times you need to be taken in context. People are used to one liner&#039;s and do not consider the whole.<BR><BR>If I were to read one of your sentences in that post, and say that is *ALL* you said, then I would consider it rude. BUT you go on to EXPLAIN, TEACH, INSTRUCT, and yes CRITIQUE just like any good master should in the post! Just like a master teaching the student to play a violin or piano, critique is important and necessary.<BR><BR>Students some times find it hard to swallow is all. I know I can at times, but it comes with maturity too.<BR><BR>I was starting to ask about Function Procedures today too hehe...<BR>The only bummer about reference material sometimes is that it may not seem relevant or informative where as a one on one conversation sometimes help it sink in better.<BR><BR>This is what I got from my MSDN Jan. 2001 CD:<BR><BR>A Function procedure is a series of VBScript statements enclosed by the Function and End Function statements. A Function procedure is similar to a Sub procedure, but can also return a value. A Function procedure can take arguments (constants, variables, or expressions that are passed to it by a calling procedure). If a Function procedure has no arguments, its Function statement must include an empty set of parentheses. A Function returns a value by assigning a value to its name in one or more statements of the procedure. The return type of a Function is always a Variant.<BR><BR>In the following example, the Celsius function calculates degrees Celsius from degrees Fahrenheit. When the function is called from the ConvertTemp Sub procedure, a variable containing the argument value is passed to the function. The result of the calculation is returned to the calling procedure and displayed in a message box. <BR><BR>Sub ConvertTemp()<BR> temp = InputBox("Please enter the temperature in degrees F.", 1)<BR> MsgBox "The temperature is " & Celsius(temp) & " degrees C."<BR>End Sub<BR><BR>Function Celsius(fDegrees)<BR> Celsius = (fDegrees - 32) * 5 / 9<BR>End Function<BR><BR><BR>Some of that is greek to me. And I would not know for example how that relates to creating a Function Procedure where I want Line2 to be dynamic and include whatever RecordSet column name I happen to be on at the time:<BR><BR>Function HTTPpolice(strAddress) <BR> strHTTP=Trim(rs("fldHomePage")) <BR> checkHTTP=Replace(Ucase(strHTTP),"HTTP://", "") <BR> If Len(strHTTP)&#060;&#062;Len(checkHTTP) Then <BR> checkHTTP=Right(strHTTP,Len(checkHTTP)) <BR> End If <BR>End Function <BR><BR>&#039;Use a loop to display <BR>For iCount=1 to 5 &#039;or as many as you will display <BR> Response.write "&#060;a href=&#039;http://" & HTTPpolice(rs("fldFavLink"&iCount)) & "&#039;&#062;&#060;font color=&#039;blue&#039;&#062;" & HTTPpolice(rs("fldFavLink"&iCount)) & "&#060;/font&#062;&#060;/a&#062;" <BR>Next <BR><BR>Taken from earlier thread at:<BR>http://www.aspmessageboard.com/forum/asp.asp?M=351907&F=20&P=1<BR><BR>So anyway. Not much more to say than that. I for one see you as THE T H E greatest A S S err I mean(jus kidding :) A S S E T this board has or will ever see!<BR><BR>Amen and Peace.<BR>Daniel Acuff<BR>

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## RE: *** WAS I RUDE??? ***

GIGO.<BR>Computers do not take crap and respond well. Young programmers still need to hear that message. Particularly now that they are affecting real businesses and not just playing games.<BR><BR>On the other hand, from personal experience, your first response to a poster can leave one going ***? But, in my life I&#039;ve learned to separate the message from the delivery. And, in the short course of a week, I have discovered that you care passionately about your profession and go out of your way to see that everybody gets a valid answer.<BR><BR>Perhaps you can, like all of us, get fed up with being asked the same DA question over and over. Take a breath, take a drink, come back Monday. Those who want to be more than "Webmaster" will still appreciate you.

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## MSDN is a crappy place to learn!

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## rude?

nope i don`t think so....<BR>i think she should do some ground work on functions first before even approaching anyone for that matter here.<BR>if we start writing codes for every one then it beats the purpose of having a messageboard.<BR>to hell with what she says...you guys are doing a good job<BR>please keep up the good work...<BR><BR><BR>:)

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## RE: MSDN is a crappy place to learn!

I disagree. It is one of my many valuable resources. Maybe you will run into some of the guys working at MSDN since you are at Microsoft now. Great bunch of people.<BR><BR>Regarding the rest of your post.<BR><BR>I am a work in progress. :) Not everyone can absorb the material at the same pace or the same way. I have over \$6,000 in reference material, but being a PROGRAMMER is NOT my only role. I am also a graphics designer, sales person, inventory specialist, marketing manager, website architect, CEO, CTO, web position specialist(my main e-commerce site now receives 1.2 million hits a month), product specialist, Inventor, database designer, and all around grunt worker to name a *FEW* of my roles. I could go work for some company and do NOTHING but study Programming Languages, but it is not my cup of tea, at least at this juncture. So in the meantime I will continue to learn as much as I can as fast as I can but the results are not guaranteed. :)<BR><BR>I DO love ASP though, it is very nice, and again I must thank you and others here who continue to help all of us here on a daily basis.

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## Sorry! Title of post misleading...

But I thought the rest of the post was clear...<BR><BR>MSDN is indeed a *great* resource...but not as a tutorial level place. It&#039;s not going, for example, teach you the basics of programming in the first place. <BR><BR>I use it *ALL* the time, but as a reference source, not as a place to learn the basics of new technology. <BR><BR>Your own posts pointed out some of that: How MSDN got into history and theory of things without going step by step through the basics.<BR><BR><BR>

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## my 2 cents

You were not rude. You stated your opinion and then offered the solution to her question.<BR>As a professional Cellist, I know the meaning of being critiqued endlessly and harshly. I say too bad for her if she needs everything buttered. I should say however, in her defense that I too am one of those people who are delving into Asp programming without spending a lot of time reading documentation (and it shows in my questions). The thing is, the part of my brain that seems to like to learn is NOT the part of my brain that I use to read books. I learn by DOING (endless hours of practice on my instrument). With trial and error and quite a bit of help from people such as yourself, I have gotten my website to have some very usefull functionality, and I am beginning to understand the basic concepts that I&#039;m using. I suppose that at this point it would be time to get documentation. The things I read may "click" now since I have some hands on experience with what is happening when I write my code. I take my learning very seriously, but must do it in the way that is most effective for me. I hope that my questions have not been a drain on you or the others that have answered.<BR>Bottom line: as teacher you have every right to critique in any way you see fit. The student can leave quietly if he/she does not like the teacher, and not come back.

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## I think you can guess my opinion....

... but I&#039;ll add it anyway.<BR><BR>If that was rude, I&#039;m a monkey&#039;s uncle. it was to the point, informative and well-worded. I&#039;m sure If I&#039;d answered that one kristinlynnie would have been running for the hills screaming about how the apocalypse was here and that the ant-eye-christ was masquerading as some guy called Atrax. I feel oddly relieved I didn&#039;t see it.<BR><BR>I was about to note that I&#039;d be boycotting this person&#039;s questions, but actually i think it may be fun to play around a little. (evil grin)<BR><BR>j<BR>http://www.atrax.ws/

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## My Thoughts

Most of you seem like talented programmers. I&#039;ve mentioned something like this to Bill before and we came to an understanding. However, Looking at it from a beginners point of of view, one could interpret the response as "elitist". <BR>I concur with you both actually.. and here is my reasoning.<BR>Bill was honest with her in the sense that, yes, she may need additional studying but the presentation of the honesty could have been handled in the EXACT reverse.. and a little more delicately. <BR>Please take my continuing response as a point of view and not directed at you (Bill) entirely. <BR>As an instructor myself (not of programming) I find that being brutally honest is discouraging to the pupil. In order for a tree to grow, it has to be guided not chopped. <BR><BR>If perhaps you mentioned that her code was "on the right track, but you may want to try this as you will find it will work better" and then explain why and then politely suggest that... <BR><BR>"Here are some subjects that you may want to seriously consider reviewing. I&#039;m sure that if you review these subjects that you may begin to have a better understanding of the concepts"...<BR><BR>You see how this still gets your point across AND assists her with her code at the same time with the likely-hood that she (as a beginner?) would be minimaly offended. There&#039;s always a sore spot after someone has been told that they are not correct. That&#039;s to be expected, but the objective should be to reduce the "damage". In the same respect the pupil must be able to accept and open to scrutiny and adjust accordingly. The wounds will heal and the pupil will become stronger. <BR><BR>These are concepts that I do my best to live by. Proverbs from the tao.. A tree that bends with the wind will not break; and a gentle wind will not break the tree.

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